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Moving From NL5 to NL10: What to Expect

Moving up from NL5 to NL10 online poker cash games
Moving up the limits in today's micro stakes online cash games can sometimes be a daunting task. You will see new faces, more skilled opponents and bigger pots. It can therefore be a bit of an unnerving experience for some.

However, if you know what to expect before making the move, it can make the transition a lot easier.

Last time I wrote a guide on the differences between NL2 and NL5. It proved to be a fairly popular article so this week I am going to cover what you can expect when you make the move from NL5 to NL10.

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NL5 Versus NL10


NL5 (2c/5c blinds) is typically the 2nd lowest limit cash game that you can play online and it usually has a $5 max buyin (100 big blinds). NL10 (5c/10c blinds) is typically the 3rd rung on the ladder in online poker cash games with a $10 max buyin.

So unlike NL2, where you will encounter many complete online poker beginners, at both NL5 and NL10 you will typically find players who have "graduated" from a lower limit. Very few people will start their playing career at either of these stakes.

So this means that you will find far less completely clueless fish playing 40% or more of their hands. 

Also, the regs at these stakes will have typically studied the game to some extent and therefore offer more than the "play tight" strategy that is the only thing that most NL2 regs know.

Definition: "Reg"

- A regular player who you will often see at the poker tables. They are not fish. They are trying to win and earn a profit. They may even study the game to improve or use a poker HUD like you do. 

In a recent video I actually walk you through a huge bluff versus a reg.



And the bluffing strategy that I discuss in this video will work extremely well in any low limit game these days including 10NL.

However, as I discussed in the previous article in this series there is always a relative skill difference any time you move up the stakes in online cash games. 

The average NL10 reg will be a better poker player than the average NL5 reg.

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NL5 Regs Versus NL10 Regs


With that said though, the relative skill difference that you will encounter between regs at NL5 and NL10 is not nearly as pronounced as it is between NL2 and NL5. The key difference though once again will be aggression.

At NL10:
  • You will get 3Bet more often preflop
  • You will get 4Bet more often preflop
  • You will get floated more often postflop
  • You will get raised more often postflop
  • You will get barreled more often postflop
In terms of actual HUD statistics you will find more regs approaching double digits in their Preflop 3Bet%. You will also see 4Bet Ratios of 2, 3 or even 4 more often.

If these numbers sound like Greek to you then you might want to go check out my comprehensive article on HUD setup and stats for more information.

Example hand I played versus an NL10 reg:




With regards to postflop play NL10 regs will float or raise you more often than NL5 regs. 

This is because they understand the power of position in poker better and how to use it. So they will flat you in position preflop with a wider array of holdings as well.

Lastly, NL10 regs will barrel you more often than their NL5 counterparts. This means that if you float them, they will fire another CBet on the turn more often and sometimes even a 3rd shell on the river either as a value bet or as a bluff.

At NL10 you will encounter a lot more hyper aggressive regs who will be constantly trying to push you out of the pot at every stage of the hand.

The answer to this (just like versus a maniac fish) is to simply call with a wider range and let them hang themselves. 

It is important to note though that regs are not fish and just because they are betting and raising like crazy against you in every hand does not necessarily mean that they are bluffing you every time.

This is why it will be imperative once again that you wait until you have played a few sessions and built up some reasonable HUD data on the regs before making any big adjustments to them. 

There are still going to be many tight regs at NL10 who will have the nuts or close to it a lot of the time when they bet.

You don't want to make the mistake of calling them down light. This is why it is important to collect a couple hundred hands on a reg before making a firm decision about what type of player they are.


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NL5 Fish Versus NL10 Fish


Once again the differences between the recreational players at NL5 and at NL10 will be small. Fish are pretty much fish at any limit.

They play the game for fun and they don't try to improve. Many see it almost like bingo or something anyways. 

They don't understand that poker is actually a game of skill where if you improve your technical knowledge, then your results will improve as well.

Therefore, the fish at either of these limits will continue to play way too many hands, play way too passively and limp a lot. The answer to this is to isolate them frequently and value bet the crap out of them.

The one main difference though between these two limits is that the recreational players will be harder to find. This is because there are simply less and less of them as you move up the limits.

This is why it is increasingly important that you are paying attention to table selection by the time you reach NL10. Despite what the naysayers will tell you it is very possible to find 40%+ VPIP goofballs still at this stake.

You will have to bounce around tables a lot more though, learn to play short-handed and even poker site select. 

If you choose to sit down at random tables or grind reg infested Zoom games then you will rarely encounter these types of players at NL10 and even at NL5 for that matter.

By the way, if you are curious about how I keep track of all my opponents even while multi-tabling online poker, yes I do use several software aids and tools.

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Winrates Between NL5 and NL10


So as expected when you are facing better skilled opponents and less recreational players your winrate will go down when you move from NL5 to NL10. 

The drop will not be as pronounced as between NL2 and NL5 though because the relative skill difference is not as big.

However, you should definitely expect to see your winrate decrease by anywhere from 25% to 50%. 

This means that if you are a 5bb/100 winner at NL5 then your winrate might decrease to 4bb/100 or 3bb/100 at NL10.

A decrease in winrate will mean more variance. This means that you will encounter lengthier and more intense downswings. 

20 buyin downswings are definitely possible even for a good player at NL10 whereas this won't happen as often at NL5.

This is why it is imperative that you are practicing good bankroll management by the time you get to NL10. I would suggest having 40 buyins for this limit. This means $400 in your bankroll.


Making the Move from NL5 to NL10


All of the same rules apply when moving up to any new limit.
  • Make sure that you are consistently beating your current limit for a reasonable winrate (2bb/100 or more) and over a reasonable sample size (20k hands minimum)
  • Make sure that you are adequately bankrolled
  • Make sure that you are feeling confident about your game and you are not currently in a downswing
  • Move up on a weekend or a high traffic time when the games are likely to be the best
  • Lower the number of tables at first and pay heavy attention to table selection
  • Don't get into big time reg wars until you have a good amount of HUD data on them

Another key point to consider by NL10 is to avoid having the hyper aggressive reg on your left. 

As I mentioned before, this is one of the first stakes where you will start seeing some real aggro machines. You will also start seeing more legit LAG (loose and aggressive) regs.

Many regs will also start to become more aware of when you are isolating a fish at NL10. Therefore they will correctly light 3Bet or 4Bet you back.

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This is why it is important by NL10 that you start paying attention not only to who is on your right but to who is on your left as well.

Dealing with a hyper aggressive player, who you have little information about, and who has direct position on you, won't be a fun experience. It can also be tilt-inducing if the cards aren't falling your way.

So in a situation like this it can often be a good idea to simply leave the table or rejoin in a different seat. NL10, much like NL5, is a very popular limit online and therefore there are many other tables to choose from.

It is important not to let your ego get involved when you are out of position against an aggressive good reg.

Even if you manage to win the battle you will still lose the war because the money does not come from players like this in poker.

This is something I talk about in my latest book The Micro Stakes Playbook which is all about smashing NL10 and higher.

I would recommend checking that out if you want to learn more on how to play against aggressive poker players.


Final Thoughts


Moving from NL5 to NL10 is a fairly big step along your journey up the micro stakes poker ladder. You will encounter tougher players and less fish.

You don't need to study a ton of advanced poker strategy in order to beat NL10, but you still need to be properly prepared nonetheless.

Also, the pots will be twice as large. While the money amounts are still small to most, they aren't completely insignificant either.

However, with an understanding of the differences between the regs at each limit and a carefully planned strategy for moving up (and down), there is no reason why you can't make a seamless transition to this next limit.

The bottom line is this:

If you are winning right now with a reasonable winrate over a decent sample at NL5, then you will without question have success at NL10 as well.

Moving up in stakes is never easy though and it might take you several attempts before you succeed. This happens to everybody due to short term variance and sometimes tilt. Having to move back down for awhile is nothing to be ashamed of.

Once you do finally stick at NL10 though you will adjust to the new regs and wonder what all the fuss was about in the first place.

You will also be just one step away from getting to this first limit in online poker cash games where you can make some decent money which is NL25.

By the way, my guide on moving from NL10 to NL25 is now finished.

So once you start crushing NL10 make sure you go check out the next article in this series which will get you prepared to dominate at NL25.

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Let me know in the comments below what your experience has been like in moving from NL5 to NL10. Do you have any tips for making the transition easier?

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Moving From NL2 to NL5: What to Expect

The differences between NL2 and NL5 online poker cash games
A question that I see very frequently on poker forums and in my inbox concerns the differences between NL2 and NL5 online cash games. Unfortunately there is a lot of bad advice out there on this topic though.

They are not the same game. Not even close.

As somebody with arguably the most experience in history at these two limits (this isn't really a brag lol), I am going to try and provide a comprehensive answer in this article.

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NL2 Versus NL5


NL2 is the lowest stake available to play no limit hold'em cash on most major online poker rooms. The blinds are 1c/2c and the max buyin is typically $2 (100 big blinds).

This is the level therefore that a large amount of people begin playing at. So you get a ton of people coming over from play money, live poker or even those who are completely new to the game in general.

The same cannot be said for NL5. This is typically the 2nd lowest stake available at online poker rooms with blinds of 2c/5c. The max buyin once again is often 100 big blinds ($5).

A much larger percentage of the people that play NL5 have "graduated" from NL2. There are very few people who are complete beginners at this stake.

If someone were inclined to skip a few stakes (which I do not recommend) they would probably start much higher than this where it feels more like "real money."

So most of the regs (regulars) who you will encounter at NL5 come from that small subset of players who have actually beaten NL2 over a decent sample. 

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Huge Relative Skill Difference


So this is why I believe that the relative skill difference between NL2 and NL5 is actually among the largest that you will find between any two stakes in online poker.

This is not to say that either of these games are overly difficult. With the right strategy, table selection and tilt control both of these games are still extremely easy to beat.

So for somebody who is fairly new to playing online poker they will problem notice a big jump in skill level. 

What do I mean by this?
  • You will get 3Bet more often preflop
  • You will get 4Bet more often preflop
  • You will get floated more often postflop
  • You will get raised more often postflop
  • You will get barreled more often postflop
Basically you will notice a large shift up in aggression both preflop and postflop between the two stakes. 

The answer is not to start bluffing the crap out of every reg yourself. This is actually a huge mistake that a lot of people (including myself) make when moving up.

You should instead just keep doing the same things that brought you success at NL2. 

After you have played several sessions at NL5 and collected some HUD stats on the regs, then you can start exploiting their specific weaknesses based off of what the data is telling you.

I should also mention that on the whole you won't see NL5 players making a lot of the 3 basic betting mistakes that I discussed in my latest video.


Many players by NL5 have learned to avoid common mistakes like this.


NL2 Regs Versus NL5 Regs


At NL2 you will still find a huge amount of regs whose only real strategy at the tables is to "play tight." They will have little to no creativity in their game.

They will often have the nuts when they make a bet or raise at any stage of a hand. Nearly all regs at NL2 are what are often referred to as "bad regs."

This is because they are very easily exploited. For a complete breakdown of all of the different types of regs that you will encounter at the micros check out this article of mine.

Regs at NL2 also typically have very little experience with the long run in poker. Even if they have played live for years they will still have issues due to how slow the cards are dealt compared to online.

Therefore, they are much more likely to tilt hard when things aren't going their way. They will also have a lot more superstitions (favorite hand, bad beat stories etc.) as they are less likely to view the game in a detached business-like manner.

This doesn't mean that all NL5 regs on the other hand are world class professionals. Far from it. Most of them are just learning the game as well. They will also tilt hard on occasion.

But by and large they will have a broader understanding of how the game works on a fundamental level including basic concepts such as position, initiative and tilt control.

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NL2 Fish Versus NL5 Fish


There really isn't a ton to say here. Fish are pretty much fish at any limit. They play the game purely for recreation. They don't try to learn or improve.

As you move up the stakes though you will typically notice a significant increase in the aggression levels of the recreational players. 

Their aggression is still almost always misplaced and devoid of all logic but an aggressive player is always going to be more challenging to play against than a passive donk.

I actually just recently wrote about how to play optimally against the aggro donks. So you can go check out that article for more strategy advice versus these types of players.

By and large though, most of the fish who you will encounter at NL5 will be the exact same as the ones who you encountered at NL2. They will be playing far too many hands, limping a lot and calling way too much postflop.

So all of the same rules apply. Get in lots of pots versus them and value bet them to death.

Also, use a good free poker HUD so that you can quickly notice the differences between player types at NL5.


Winrates Between NL2 and NL5


One of the most popular articles in the history of my website is all about winrates. Everybody wants to know what a "good winrate" is!

As I speculate in that article, you can expect your winrate to pretty much be cut in half when you move from NL2 to NL5. This has certainly been my experience.

So if you are currently winning at 6bb/100 for instance at NL2, then you should probably expect that to be reduced to 3bb/100 at NL5. 

I don't think that there are any other two levels in online poker where you can expect this big of a decrease in your winrate.

And the reason why just goes back to everything that I have talked about thus far. NL2 is still largely a joke with tons of brand new players. I have long called it "the circus."

At NL5 though, while there are still plenty of fish, there are far less truly awful regs, and all you need is the most basic winning poker strategy to beat them.

Since regs will be by far your most common opponent in either game, this will affect your winrate in a big way.

It is important to note once again though that this discussion is entirely relative. 

If you currently crush NL25 for instance, then the vast majority of NL5 regs will be complete fish to you. If you beat NL100, then most NL25 regs will seem easily exploitable. And so on.

Everything is relative in poker.

By the way, I covered how much average poker players make at all stakes in another recent video.



Bankroll Differences Between NL2 and NL5


Something else that often gets overlooked between NL2 and NL5 is the difference between the blinds. NL5 is a 2.5x bigger game than NL2 whereas the difference is just 2x between most other stakes in online poker.

So what this really means is that for somebody who is used to playing NL2, the size of the pots at NL5 will probably seem quite a bit bigger at first. Even though the money in either game is still largely insignificant for most, it can be intimidating at first.

So this is why it is so crucial that you employ a proper bankroll management strategy. And it is also important that you take controlled shots when moving up.

This means that you set a certain amount of buyins aside that you are prepared to lose before moving back down to NL2 to rebuild. Of course the plan is to hopefully stick at NL5 the first time so that you never have to do this. But short term variance can sometimes get in the way.


When to Make the Move From NL2 to NL5


Beyond bankroll there are a few other factors to consider before making the jump between NL2 and NL5. The first is a history of success at NL2.

You might say "well duh" to this point but many people make the mistake of moving up way too quickly. 

I would suggest playing a minimum of 20k hands at any limit before coming to any sort of conclusions about your winrate there.

Just because you had a couple of winning sessions at NL2 does not mean that you have crushed the game beyond belief. 

It could mean that, but more than likely you were running good as well and therefore short term variance played a role.

There is absolutely no rush when moving up. The games aren't going anywhere. Put in some real time there (at least a week or two of consistent play) to make sure that you are definitely beating NL2.

As I discuss in Crushing the Microstakes, the transition to NL5 does not need to be rushed.

And learning how to soundly thrash the players at NL2 will actually help a lot when you do decide to move up.

Lastly, and again this might sound like a "well duh" point, but only move up when you are playing well and feeling confident. 

Moving up when you are in a downswing (i.e., losing a ton) is about the worst thing that you can possibly do.

Moving up because you are sick of the NL2 donks who never "respect your raises" is also just as silly. 

The answer to a lack of success against the worst players in the world at NL2 is not to move up and play against better opponents.

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Conclusion


You don't really need to study a ton of advanced poker strategy in order to beat NL2 or NL5.

However, the differences between NL2 and NL5 online cash games are still much larger than most people think.

By the way, if you have already made the jump to NL5, make sure to check out my followup article which talks about how to make the jump from NL5 and NL10.

You can find that article right here.

Back to the topic at hand though, moving from NL2 to NL5 is probably the biggest relative skill difference jump in all of online poker.

The key word there though is relative.

Because for any seasoned grinder with a solid grasp of the fundamentals and a little bit of tilt control, both games are still very easy.

And any mid stakes or high stakes player would absolutely crush either NL2 or NL5. So I don't want to make it sound like either of these games requires some advanced poker knowledge to beat them.

Because that's just not true at all. A solid "ABC" tight and aggressive strategy is easily good enough to beat NL2 or NL5.

If you are fairly new to online poker though, and you are currently trying to make the jump between these two limits, then I hope this article helped shined a bit of light on what to look out for.

Lastly, if you want to know how to consistently make $1000+ per month from low limit poker games like this, make sure you grab a copy of my free poker cheat sheet.


If you have any questions or comments about making the jump from NL2 to NL5 please leave them in the comments below. What has your experience been like?

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