Is PokerStars Rigged? Here Are the Facts [2018]

Is PokerStars Rigged?
People still ask me all the time if PokerStars is rigged. Or if online poker in general is rigged.

And I have never written an article about it before because I think this just legitimizes what to me seems like a pretty ridiculous question.

But here is the quick answer.

PokerStars is not rigged. It just appears that way sometimes due to the incredible speed of online poker. Because online poker sites like PokerStars typically deal hands 3 times faster than a live poker game, you should expect 3 times as many bad beats. This is even more pronounced in Zoom Poker which can deal hands up to 10 times as fast as a live poker game.


Some People Still Are Not Convinced


But believe me I get it, some people are still not convinced.

And I know that the emails and the comments I get about online poker being rigged won't stop. Therefore, hopefully this article will help solve the Great Debate once and for all!

Is online poker rigged? Are we being invaded by Russian bots? Are there mysterious ninjas hired to create another rigged river card just for you right before the final table?

I gotta be honest. I can't possibly answer all of these earth shattering questions in a tiny little blog post like this.

However, a little bit of common sense should tell us that of course there is some nefarious behaviour going on when anything important (such as money) is on the line.

Humans rig the stock market, they rig elections, they lie on their resumes and they cheat on their high school exams as well. Heck a decent chunk of them even end up cheating on the person that they swore their wedding vows to!

So in short, yes of course there are certain poker sites and individuals out there who are trying to rig the system in their favor when it comes to online poker. You would have to be incredibly naive not to realize this.

But is there widespread cheating going on across the entire industry, and specifically at the biggest online poker site in the world, PokerStars?

Probably not. Here are 5 reasons why.


1. PokerStars is a Money Making Machine


The first and most highly obvious reason why PokerStars is probably not rigged is because they are an absolute money making machine.

As I have said many times before on this blog the house is always by far the biggest winner in poker. And PokerStars takes this to an entirely new level.

They are estimated to be bringing in 500 million dollars in pure profit each year. And therefore god only knows how much they were hauling in 5-10 years ago when poker was really booming.

So common sense should once again beg the question: Why on earth would you possibly want to screw that up?

When you are already making absurd amounts of money and dominating the entire industry what possible incentive could you have to want to rig something?

PokerStars is one of the most successful and profitable brands the industry has ever seen. And no matter what you think of their new ownership, they continue to crush it in every possible way from a business point of view.

So there is simply no plausible motive here.

In fact they have every reason in the world NOT to rig it and just keep playing a winning hand over and over again.


2. You Can Simply Go Check it For Yourself


The second most important reason why PokerStars is probably not rigged is kind of a biggie as well. And that is that you can actually just go and check it for yourself!

PokerStars is one of the few poker sites out there who are very open about what they do. They will in fact actually send you every single hand history that you have ever played on their site.

I know this because I did it myself once. I requested close to 8 million hands that I had played on PokerStars from them. Within 24 hours I had the links to download them all.

This means that I could then go stick those 8 million hands in a tracking program like PokerTracker and run extensive analysis and tests looking for statistical anomalies.

This is one of the biggest reasons why I am not a big fan of a recent trend in online poker towards anonymous poker sites and/or those who do not provide hand histories.

"Open source" poker sites like PokerStars are much better for the industry in my opinion because they allow us to essentially police the games for ourselves.


3. There is No Actual Evidence that PokerStars is Rigged


So given the fact that we can actually run our own tests and search for statical anomalies over massive sample sizes you would think that all the people who are so certain that PokerStars is rigged would have overwhelming evidence to support their claims.

Nope, nada, none.

There has never been one conclusive study that I have ever seen, based on a statistically relevant sample size, which actually proves that there is any rigging going on at PokerStars.

Their standard arguments instead usually go something like this:

"OMG...My AA got cracked 3 times in a row by some stupid fish!!!...I told you JOKERSTARS is rigged, rigged rigged!!!"

The main problem with these "arguments" is that they fail to account for even the most basic variance in poker and they are completely lacking in a statistically significant sample size.

A sample size of 3 hands is completely meaningless in poker. And so is a sample size of 300 hands, 3,000 hands or even 30,000 hands.

You need to be working with millions and millions of hands in order to get to the point where you can mathematically rule out variance. Anyone who has actually played this many hands of poker knows exactly what I mean by this.

I have never seen a real legit study based on this many hands which conclusively proves that there are widespread statistical anomalies going on with the RNG on PokerStars.

Because if such a study like this actually did exist, believe me you would have heard about it by now. And it would be an absolute bombshell within the poker industry.


4. Human Bias and Defence Mechanism


The next reason why some people are convinced that online poker is rigged is because most people lose at this game. And that unfortunate little reality isn't likely to change any time soon.

Once the poker sites and the winning poker players take their cut there just isn't much left over for everybody else. In fact I would estimate (conservatively) that 70% of poker players lose over the long run.

And the other thing that we know about poker players is that virtually all of them think they are pretty good, or at least above average. Poker is kind of like driving, nobody will ever admit they are bad at it.

So this naturally leads to a situation where many losing poker players will look to either repress this reality or simply shift the blame to something else for their lack of success.

In fact, Sigmund Freud (the father of modern psychology), even created a name for this very common unconscious process. He called it a defence mechanism.

When you aren't winning at poker the easy solution is just to blame it all on your bad luck or convince yourself that the whole game is rigged against you.

This is an absolutely crucial reason why poker continues to be so profitable.

Losing poker players have an easy out. They can just continually convince themselves that their lack of success is due to some outside force beyond their control.

And therefore, they never even think to address the real reason why they keep losing, which is their own lack of skill and lack of tilt control among other things.

There is no other game on earth that I have ever seen that inspires such incredible levels of self delusion. And quite frankly, it is an absolutely beautiful thing.


5. Variance and the Speed of Online Poker


The final reason why some people swear that online poker is rigged is because they don't realize how the speed of the online game changes everything.

A lot of the people who claim that online poker is rigged come from a live poker background. Or they have played a statistically insignificant amount of hands online (less than 100k).

Therefore, they simply do not understand that the speed of online dealing (often 3 times as fast as a live game), coupled with the ability to multi-table, means that bad beats and coolers are simply bound to happen far more often than what they are used to.

This doesn't mean that anything is actually rigged. It just means that you are now experiencing the acceleration of a Ferrari instead of your old Toyota.

Yes it is going to feel weird at first. It won't even seem believable at times in fact.

And if you try your hand at something like Zoom Poker (which deals hands upwards of 10 times as fast as a live poker game), it might just blow your mind completely!

You really have to understand that online poker is a completely different experience from live poker. Yes it is the same game with the same rules, but all of the similarities end there.

The speed at which the online version of the game is dealt means that you are going to get to the long run far quicker than you are used to. This also means that you will see the true depths of statistical variance much more vividly.

And when you add in the ability to multi-table into the mix as well, you better buckle up. Because it is going to be downright crazy and quite simply not believable at times.


Final Thoughts


The debate about online poker being rigged or not will rage on no matter what I say here.

And I know a few people will probably even accuse me of being a "shill" for PokerStars even though anyone who reads this blog knows that I have actually been recommending that you DON'T PLAY there for many, many years now.

And that is not because I think there is any rigging going on at PokerStars. It is simply because there are many far easier poker sites (softer games) available to play at in my opinion.

But hopefully some of the points discussed in this article will help bring some sanity back to the discussion. Obviously online poker faces many challenges and the integrity of the games will always be questioned as well.

Humans like to cheat at stuff after all. The sky is blue as well!

But the idea that there is any widespread rigging going on at PokerStars in particular is pretty absurd in my opinion. I have won a lot of money on that site over the years by simply playing a solid fundamental strategy.

Furthermore, they have absolutely no reason whatsoever to risk their enormous cash cow. When you are already making money hand over fist the legit way, you have absolutely no incentive to ever screw that up.

Lastly, since PokerStars is one of the most open and transparent poker sites out there in my experience, you can simply just request the data and determine how rigged they are for yourself!

I want to know your thoughts though. Is PokerStars rigged or do you think it is safe to play there?

Pokerstars rigged

65 comments:

  1. Great post Nathan. I really like reading your objective view. You're not forcing your agenda on anyone only laying down facts. Keep up the good work!

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    1. Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!

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    2. you say that no one ever admits to being bad at something .. wrong Nathan ... I admit to being absolutely dreadful at poker. I blame no one but myself ..never have quite mastered the hand analysis side ..when the pro's talk us through their thinking on any hand, i'm like .. huh? I think you need a particular kind of mind to play poker well.

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    3. I agree about Pokerstars,however I do think some of the smaller sites do use algorithms to control card distribution in order to speed up the games....the faster the games the more money the casino makes... well written,fair article Nathan! Thanks again.

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    4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Scheinberg

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  2. Hi Nathan,
    I've been 'that man' who thinks all of this online gambling stuff MUST be rigged!

    I've played online Poker, I've tried online sports trading, sh*t, I've even played some online casino 'machines.'

    Through all of the above (with the exception of the totally random casino stuff) I've always come back to realising, that its the person who is playing that is the biggest issue in online gambling!

    If I had £1.00/$1.00 for every time I've 'lost the plot' and gone into tilt mode, then I'd be a lot better off financially, than I am now!

    Long story to short? - The machine really doesn't give a damn who is winning as, in the end, it will ALWAYS win! :-)

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    1. Thanks Cynic. I actually should have mentioned in this article that I have sworn it is all rigged against me countless times as well! lol. Always when I lose of course, not when I win :)

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    2. THE THING IS THAT POKERSTARS FOR SURE IS RIGGED . I CAN PROVE MATHEMATICALLY. BUT I AM LOOKING FOR A LAWYER TO MAKE MY MOVE . I WILL NOT FIND ONE I WILL DO IT MYSELF . THEY ARE THE SAME AS OTHER GAMBLING SITE SUCH AS SLOTS . AT LEAST THERE U KNOW THAT IT WILL GIVE U SOMETIMES BUT THE BIGGEST LIE IS THAT IT IS A SKILL GAME. ONLINE IT IS NOT. TAKE A LOOK AT TEAM ONLINE VIDEOS ON U TUBE AND U WILL UNDERSTAND. AFTER THAT AS FOR YOUR HAND HISTORY AND COMPARE U WILL BE SURPRIZED.

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    3. Dude, if you have no idea what you are talking about then don't say anything, I briefly read your article and your pulling this all out of your ass.. any form of online gambling is not in your favor and I agree poker rng (random number generator) is not "rigged" to take your money but it is set to deal completely legit crazy hands that give insane action, and with using advanced math these sites can give the allusion that the odds are close and over time the odds sometimes make sense.. trust me each year the scam gets a little closer to being on the news.

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  3. "There is no other game on earth that I have ever seen that inspires such incredible levels of self delusion. And quite frankly, it is an absolutely beautiful thing. "

    This statement you made is scary and hauntigly majestic at the same time :D

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  4. Hey Nathan, I really like your blog but saying that they don't need to rig it because they already make a lot of money is the funniest and stupidest argument I've ever heard. You play poker, you should know that greed grows the more money you make...
    Also you could never prove or disprove that they are rigging it, except if you're the developer of the software.

    I personally think that there is no online poker site that doesn't rig its games. I believe cashgame is rigged, tournaments are not rigged. Why? Because if you give players constantly two pair vs two pair, AA vs KK or 3 of a kind vs full house you force players to go both all-in, therefore generating rake. Its the easiest way to make bazillions instead of millions, because you just print money.

    It has happened to me so often that I get KK vs AA (in under 10k hands). Based on probability theory this should be impossible.

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  5. You're assuming that PS is widespread rigged, but isn' it possible tgat it's rigged for a separate class of players, when it really matters? As an example, the micro tables aren't rigged for the most part, but the high roller tables are to some extent. It can also be rigged on the rivers, when the pot is over xxxUSD. All this rigging can be done, it's fairly easy and it won' show up as an anomaly when you shove 8m hands in a software. All of this without including the PS owned bots. It's infantile to say they havr no reason to do it. They do. More money. Even Zuckerberg did it, and he had enough for 10 generations.

    I'n closing, I have to say that I don't believe it's THAT rigged, but to say it's not is stupid and you my friend might have had a lapse in judgment. Especially when your argument against it is "they make enough money".

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    1. Pokerstars only care about pokerstars, they won't even let their image negranu win.. everyone that plays has the exact same problem

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  6. I agree with this article. Poker Stars is (was) a solid company. However, I believe their is rampant bot problems on most other sites.

    Bots have improved greatly and are even taking on some of the best pros. These bots have made their ways into the mico-stakes. I believe the bot-sweet spot is 10nl and 25nl. Here they can play a lot of tables and hide from the best competition. It is very easy for bots to play on poker sites with weak security.


    JoeIngram1 has called out American Cardrooms.

    I personally believe that Party Poker has the same problem.


    Bots are the final "nail in the coffin" for online players.


    I hate to say it, but online poker is in a sad sad state.

    Even Poker Stars has sold-out and are turning into a high-raked gaming site.


    Is online poker rigged? Well, yeah, kinda… not by the exact definition. But, what is it called when you play against tough competition, bots and high rake with a low fish count? The decks not stacked, but your paddling up shit creek. Even if you make a profit sites go broke and governments seize your money.

    Can online poker survive...?

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  7. Rigged or not--how could you really prove it---you say why would they do it when it is a cash cow, 500M a year.

    Does Enron, Bre X, Bernie Madoff, Holliger and Volkswagon ring any bells???
    All billion dollar companies, regulated by the stock exchange and all where willing to cheat the general public......

    After playing about 10M hands on Poker Stars , I wouldn't bet the house that they are on the up and up ......

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  8. Having played for 18 yrs now I totally get what your saying. Your correct on everything you say even down to the many many players who think they are above average.
    Although my poker playing days over the last 4 yrs have been sessions of just 30 minutes every 3 months or so, I’m looking at getting back into longer sessions. But having looked at the smaller sites on offer these days living in the U.K. I don’t have a lot of choice but to play on Stars. Yes the level is better than softer sites but the traffic is poor at best. Party Poker is making a comeback, but still most of their tournaments are fast paced these days with just 5/6/7 min blinds. But you adapt, you have to. But in all my time playing in 18 yrs I’m yet to receive an email back from not just Stars but any poker site telling me players who have been caught cheating on my table, not once! That tells me everything I need to know.
    P.s I know class myself much lower in terms of poker ability, but I know 100% my BRM is in the top 1% of all poker players ever to play the game, and yes that is boasting.
    Great article for those less convinced.

    Plaza

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  9. I've always thought that if PokerStars (or FullTilt, or whatever) were in fact rigged they'd do a better job of it :)

    And no, I don't think PokerStars is rigged. You've identified the major reasons why not. The people I see complaining about it generally seem to fall into two categories: (1) folks who make stupid plays and then complain when they don't work, or (2) folks who simply don't recognize that "odds" are just that, and sometimes the long odds hit. FWIW, I don't like it either, but that's why God invented George Dickel whiskey

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  10. Well bloody hell everyone is so eloquent and quaint in their observations.

    I just think the article is fuggin brilliant bru! so i shared it to my poker club.. :D

    thats all..

    Happy Hunting!

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    1. Yup, as you can see by the comments here everybody has an opinion on this matter haha! Thanks for sharing my article and glad you enjoyed :)

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  11. There are some arguments that deep in an mtt there are gonna be setups like when you have 15bbs and dealt pocket jj or qq you are gonna run into kk or aa just to bust you and register to another mtt for the site to collect more entry fees.The question however,as to whom is gonna be dealt the best hand and why him,rises.Is it random?Is it just another type of gamblers fallacy?Is it crappy stories people make up just to justify their black luck?

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    1. Dude I got quads 4 times on the "deal" alone playing far less then 300 hands, if you think that is "random" you need further basic education.

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    2. Yup, when I fold a straight flush to a higher straight flush and was right and when I get quads 3 times in a 1.5 hour span on a 6 handed table that has to be black luck.

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    3. I would love to play you at poker. 😆

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  12. I have another thought to share. Let's even imagine it's rigged. Then what? If a person makes his living from pokerstars, it doesn't matter for him. If a person loses there - then stop playing and it won't matter either. So basically this is a pointless question.

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    1. It like go see you say that same comment after getting fooled by a "rng" for tens of thousands of hours. People simply go into denial and understandably can't let it go.

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  13. Great stuff Nathan, lost count of how many times I've read JOKERSTARS in my short career playing poker xD

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    1. "RIVERSTARS" is another classic lol. Thanks for reading Jorge :)

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  14. As I have said before on your blog I lost with quads three times in a row. That has always seemed to me quite a big statistical anomaly.

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    1. I must of played over 10 million hands in 18 yrs online and I have NEVER lost with quads and yes I play mostly on Stars. By the way have you seen that clip for the main event some yrs ago with the guy with quad aces only to beaten by a royal? 3 in a row I don’t believe that.

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    2. Plaza Player: Sorry for the lateness of my reply. I am glad you didn;t just say I was lying as I assure you I wasn't. That hand on youtube practically mirrors the the last one that lost I made quad A on the river and he made a royal. When I saw the river card I knew in my gut what was about to happen but part of me said that it couldn't happen again. I should have followed my gut LOL. The same month these three quad hands happened my wife asked me to help her move a table a short distance. I missed two hand in a row they were both AA (lol). Since that time (it was oct 2016 or 2015) I have not lost with quads and I suspect that the universe gave up trying to t each me whatver lesson it was trying to teach as I just didn't get it. Probably something about self examination who knows?

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  15. My issue with Pokerstars is more on how they have started treating their players. They are very open on how they will treat the noobs a lot better than the Regs, Case in point, they have changed the Chest reward system to have much higher targets and smaller Boosts for Regs versus noobs as they have stated in responses that after careful study this was best for the site and the ecosystem (their word) of the game.

    Named Pros have left for a reason and Pokerstars has become very greedy.



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    1. Pokerstars is rigged for sure . I know i have won worst but in poker you have to look at how deep you are in a tour. I have 8 final tables i lost twice in a raw better before big miney . I am lloking for a lawyer to to move on against pokerstars and i am looking for more people to ho with me .you can ask your hand history from the fair site named pokerstars and then we will do the maths

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    2. Do you have yoir hand history eith the bad beats .if not find them we will need it to go agains stars . I have many hands that prove that for real. 8 final tables i lost before big money 70% vs 30% and 80 vs 20% . I use pokertracker to replay my hands and i can send you if you do not believe .

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    3. 70 vs 30 and 80 vs 20 does not mean a guaranteed win which is the way you are treating it. You want to base it the fact that you made 8 final tables and got knocked out twice in a row before you hit the big money? That's the dumbest thing I've heard. Someone still won the money. Pokerstars still had to pay it out, it was just not to you. You just prove what Nathan is saying in this article. Good luck with your lawsuit, lol.

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  16. I just spent the weekend playing there. Definitely a favouritism for the biggest stacks in the hand. The number of perfect cards these bigger stacks hit on the river, to eliminate multiple players,for faster turnover, it exists. 100%. I just watched it happen all weekend long. They definitely put aces to the left of kings. Also,if you're tight, left of aggressor and wait for 99 to smash him,the player on your left will usually have better, or callable. But whatcstrikes me the most is the number of perfect river cards these bigger stacks always hit to break players and force them to rebuy or pay another tourney fee.nah,this site knows it has the perfect crime.

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  17. Further, if you're the small stack waiting for your dump hand,they feel you A6 suited or something,but as in my case yesterday,not only was the ace six not the best hand,but there were 4 hands that beat me. 77 on my left, kk on his left,AQ on his left,and the big stack had 44. As per usual,the big stacks horrific call after all this was rewarded with trip 4s,and eliminated 4 players in one shot. And yesterday,they completed a tournament with 75,000 players in under 10 hours. How is this possible? I don't care how fast they deal,that's a lot of big hands clashing all the time. Once again,audit these types of things,you WILL find I'm sure in poker terms a LARGE discrepancy.

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  18. Its not rigged against you.its rigged against everybody. How many thousands upon thousands of posts on the internet questioning the shuffle? Can you simply dismiss every last one of the as bad players? Negreanu has won 36 million playing live poker,but is a loser at poker stars. Must be his game.

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  19. It is not that I feel the site is rigged, but playing so many hands has led me to believe the software has a built-in flare for the dramatic. So to speak. For example, when a pair of aces hits the board you can almost be sure that another top pair will be held by another player. This of course causes a bingo type environment and skill seems removed. Can drama be written into software? I think so!

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  20. Poker Stars rigged or not---just about impossible to prove, 500M cash cow....

    Just remember Enron, Bre X, World Dot Com, Hollinger, Bernie Madoff, Volkswagon, all billion dollar companies regulated by the stock exchange and all trusted by the general public--no reason to cheat anyone ??????

    I've played about 10M hands on Poker Stars and there have been a lot of questionable hands...I wouldn't exactly go out of my way to say Poker Stars is on the up and up........

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  21. Great Stuff Nathan. I need to say at the outset that in my opinion online poker and especially at Pokerstars is NOT rigged. However I can't get out of my head a conversation a few years back with an online pro who was telling me about a contact he had within the industry who had told him some sites use 'Top Heavy Dealing ' which basically means that instead of a virtual 52 card deck the RNG is actually dealing from a standard all be it virtual 52 card deck + additional copies of the picture cards. The result being a far more dramatic and exciting unpredictable game designed to keep the action and therefore the interest and rake high. It's probably another load of "male parts "😁 but it is an interesting idea. But to reaffirm I DON'T think it is rigged. Mike

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    1. Thanks for reading Mike, glad you enjoyed!

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  22. Hi Nathan,
    I can agree with all of that. Long ago I read an article about how the shuffle servers work and provide decks to the tables. But there is one little think I can't get out of my head. Although I too think it makes no sense to favor a particular player or a region (I guess you have heard of East Europeans are favoerd, too), I wonder if it wouldn't be possible and even make sense to have a huge load of decks prepared and to filter out hands, thus increasing the number of so called action hands. Even a slight increase, that would be hard to track down, would create more big pots and therefor much more rake. After all we now know "more rake is better". (Yes, I know that refers to something else but I thought it's a nice fitting pun.) :-D

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  23. Can i ask smthing? More hands more bad beats bad no more wins? Why u get action and A high calls when u are not strong but they wont pay 2 bb when u have it? Why my last 6 KK run into AA? Why everyone has AA when u have AK
    Why str8s flushes 2 pair are like impossible to win
    Why in 50-50 situations no way u have 50% why they crack your hands so easy but its a miracle when that happens to u ? Why whenever there is the sweetest game ever there s no way to get yiur finger into the honey jaar? Why premium hands are cosmetics? And they arent premium at all? Why all the above happen all at once? With the same pace day in and out? All these all at once how is this luck ? What are the propabillity for all these to happen all at once every day? I have no words its ridiculous try any style of play and you lose the same it doesnt even make sense im an overall winner but i cant accept this `bad luck` there are players who win nonstop 10 and more buy ins a day while i lose whatever hand i make something is very off and they cant hide it the funny part is they dont care about hiding it they laugh in our faces shame on them

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  24. Why hasn’t anyone done a study on this. If the comments above say within a secret code or something to bring action, surely then it could be compared to a live study were a deck of cards deals out 9 player hands the burn and the flop turn and river cards then compare the results to hand histories and see if there are indeed any Discrepancies. How can this be done, easy with a robotic dealer. How many hands would be considered a good sample? A million maybe? But it can be done.

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  25. Another point seeing though we are talking about Stars, why did they feel the need to increase the rake. I couldn’t believe it when I saw a $10 with $1 rake was now $9.90 player pool and $1.10 rake. That’s just pure greed and no wonder they have trouble making the million GTD these days. I hate greed and always have including my local supermarket. Party Poker, it’s time for you to shine with your revamped software.

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  26. I actualy have a legitament argument for pokerstars to rig their games .... in my oppion they may have an algorithym where the undergog hand wins slighty more than it should in mtts.. basicaly giving bad players more of an edge and more reason to return(fun factor)... this could be accomplished very easy and would be next to impossible to prove .... by the way im not the only pro who feels this way

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  27. Reading this comment section gave me cancer.

    It just proves Nathan's point:

    "There is no other game on earth that I have ever seen that inspires such incredible levels of self delusion. And quite frankly, it is an absolutely beautiful thing. "

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    1. Haha well when I chose to write an article about "PokerStars rigged or not" I knew the response would be massive. Because it always is when this topic has come up elsewhere.

      I have decided not to respond to any of the comments (whether I agree or disagree) and just let everyone state their opinion, only removing posts for excessive personal attacks, spam etc.

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  28. Great article as always Sir.
    My theory comes from a completely different angle.
    Live casinos make millions, billions of dollars, taking a 1 to 2 percent edge. And, that may be because of being regulated by some gaming board. Who regulates online gaming? The question has always been - why would they risk taking an edge allowing bots or multi users? My question is - Why wouldn't they create an edge for themselves ( more rake for instance).

    My observations playing on Americas Cardroom isn't my pocket Aces gerring cracked. I have profited several 1000BB/100. My question is how often am I dealt pocket Aces. How often am I dealt any pocket pair? How often am I dealt the top 20% of my range?

    I believe this is where the web site is suspicious. I also believe that ACR (Americas Card Room) gives a statistical advantage to their newest accounts.

    I got curious and used Poker Tracker 4 to do some statistical research on my own hands.

    Here's what I found. My first 6 months on ACR I ran just above statistical average. I was dealt pocket Aces once every 215 hands. The statistical average is 1/250ish. During my 1st 6 months I was dealt any pocket pair 1/14 hands - the average is 1/17. I was also dealt 20% of my range 28% of the time.

    The following 18 months were staggering to me. I was dealt AA 1/265 hands. Any pocket pair 1/23 hands. Top 20% of my range I was dealt 13% of the time.

    Why such a drastic change from my 1st 6 months compared to my next 18 months (2 years of my time)

    My thoughts? After my 1st 3 months I made my 1st deposit.

    ACR is a business. Regulated or not? I don't know. But as a business they want more deposits. Without new deposits coming in, they go out of business.

    My stats above may not seem drastic at first. But we are all poker players. WE are all about the math. If I play 1000 hands and dealt my 1 pocket pair every 22 something hands, I will see 45.5 pocket pairs. If a new account is getting a pocket pair every 13 hands the will be dealt almost 77 pairs. That puts me at a statistical disadvantage. My pairs still held up the percentages they should have and I still brought in 350BB/100. I just don't get them as often. So I adjusted my game.

    Great article. I would love to hear or read about any feedback. Feel free to share. The more input just increases my sample size!

    The above stats were taken form playing 358,000 hands over 2 years.

    I still play on ACR attempting a bankroll challenge in MTTs. This week I played maybe 15 freerolls (500+ runners in each) and cashed 2 times.

    Happy gaming everyone.
    Gamer for life,
    CPTMYK713

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  29. TLDR
    who controls the controller?

    In a real game, the deck is a physical entity. The deck, after being mixed up by the dealer, will have a definite, unique and invariable order for all the course of the hand (unless the game is not rigged). All players can check that the order of the cards in the deck is not changed during the hand.
    The cards that will come out on the board are already defined because the order is immutable, they are hidden at sight, but those will be discovered.
    When the deck is immutable, has the sense to calculate the odds, the law of large numbers tells us that in the long run, the occurrence of a certain event approaches the average probability of that event.

    In online poker the deck is a resource that no player has visual access to, no one can guarantee players that the deck is pre-ordered, as in the real world, and that it would remain unchanged during the course of the hand; speculating, I could say that the software could generate different cards for a flop depending on the players that are active in the hand, their probability of collusion, their history, their bankroll, their current stack, who knows?
    With a real deck, the order is one, the guarantee is the physical deck, the cards that will come out on the board will always be those, regardless of the action in the hand, or what else.

    Another topic is the use made of the numbers produced by the random generators, even using as input the data transmitted by the planet best generator, I could generate in output something totally not random, but statistically correct, how can I tell what the software is doing if the code is closed?

    Although the deck of each hand was uniquely generated and controlled by one entity/protocol/software, the question remains, and as said by the Latin rhetorician Giovenale: "quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" who controls the controller?
    The new blockchain based technologies may perhaps offer new expectations in terms of decentralization, security, privacy. As well as the rake-free, impossible in the current major poker rooms.

    A compliment to Nathan for the excellent food for thought;)

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  30. DEFINITELY RIGGED!!!!!

    ALL CARD ROOMS AND I MEAN ALL OF THEM!!!

    I see the same pattern OVER AND OVER!!!

    Start with getting dealt a 2 60 percent of the time at Everest Poker!! Have proof for that!! E-mail me ruud-1983@live.com

    My last AA and KK got cracked for 8 times consecutive!! And more shit like that happening all the time!!

    Late stags in a tournament I have 10bb and shove my AK, ALWAYS a guy after me shows KK or AA!!

    So I get oout of the tournament and can buy myself in a new tournament fast enough for the room to rake more.

    So just SHUT UP and acknowledge. Online poker is a SCAM!!!!

    Why? Because they can and your a donk if you doont see the patterns.

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  31. Well, it depends. Let's say you flip a coin and get 1000 tails in a row and then 1000 heads in a row. You make the statistic after 2000 flips and it is 50-50, perfect, but it's almost sure the coin is rigged.

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  32. Well I just got river raped out of a 109$ ticket at Party Poker. 4 left 3 get tickets. Big stack on my right, as usual, was just dumping his hand pretty much pre flop every deal. SO knowing full well what was going to happen, he was on my right, I told the table in the chat, I will catch this guy with a crap hand, and he will suckout on me anyways, because the big stacks on line are favoured to wipe out players that have to go rebuy. ANd Im dealt King nine heres the hand im gonna get raped on. I call his dump he has Q7 and hits a running four card straight and I miss my 109 dollar ticket by one place. Online poker software is 100% rigged for maximum profit, and fast turnover at the tables. I of course went to Party Pokers chat to complain and show them my prediction of my loss to this seat with whatever hand he plays. He admits i predicted my loss, but says its 100% random, even though I called my beat 15 hands before it happened. Fuck online poker.

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  33. It didn’t matter if he hit a 4 card straight or not. Both of his cards were live v yours. He didn’t do anything wrong. He bullied the table with his stack and he played it the correct way absolutely the right way. Your problem was getting frustrated with his actions. What you didn’t think of is, the other two players were in exactly the same position. I would of folded and folded unless I picked up a top hand.
    But if you were the lowest stack then yes you have to make a stand at some point and then watch your opponents do the same. Based on that hand, you can not say it’s 100% rigged. There is simply no truth in that. It’s bad decisions on your part, that’s it.
    Next time think, it’s the same rule to the other opponents to. Who’s going to get blinded off first, do I need to play a hand before someone else does. Having him on your right was the best position for you. What if he was on your left? You wouldn’t know if you were going to get shoved on or not and so you’d waste a ton of chips. Being on his Left at least you knew what he did before it got to you.
    Think long term not short term. Even AA preflop is NOT 100% and so will get beat sometimes.
    You need to learn about variance my friend.

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  34. Youre not listening brother. It doesnt matter what hand either of us had, I predicted 15 hands before this he would suckout. I had fewer than 10 blinds and I lost 3 blinds folding to this dickhead. I played tonight. 6 seat tables, under 40 hands. Most of the time the table had 4 live players. I was outkicked with an ace on my left 5 times. Youre not listening man. I know how to play. My complaint is a VERY OBVIOUS favouritism for the biggest stack in the hand to wipe players out for faster tournaments. I flopped trips, got called by K6 he hit a king of course, running spades, because he had the bigger stack. His six was a spade.

    Dude, play anywhere. Pay attention to others hands, not just your own. Watch what happens. Watch how often the king sees an ace on its left. Im kicked 5 times with an ace in under 40 hands, mostly 4 to a table. Cmon. You begin this tourney with 5 big blinds so your pushing any ace.

    The second tourney, the big stack calls my all in, a reraise all in, with QK. Flops two pairs, two players out, two more rebuys to play again.

    Its SOOOOOOOOo obvious. Cmon. Negreanu. Wins 36 million playing live. Is a loser on Poker Stars.

    Online poker,

    Deals bloated big hands even on three seat tables.
    Deals to the left.
    Way too many hands I see where someone has his right outkicked. WAY TOO MANY.

    I appreciate the game. You need to hear my stories. My full tilt story is funny.

    I would blast them in emails for years, nasty nasty stuff, I accused them of everything. Never got kicked out.
    One night I enter a 180 man SNG for advancement to a tourney to be on poker after dark. I won it. Before I could check to see when the next tourney was, I had been kicked out. Im not lying about this. This is 100% true.

    I got a party poker story. I was in a tourney it had some people sitting out. the guy on my left was sitting out. Blinded in now though, so his first hand of the tourney was about to be turned over. I had AK. It folded around to me. As a joke, I went all in. the SITOUT was holding 33. The first hand we see this sitout show is a PP on the left of my AK. Strike one. So here comes the flop, this guy isnt even playing his hand. He flops QUADS. Cmon. A little bit of a stretch for me.

    ANd CD poker, lost 3 hands in one sitting with AA vs AX. Ok that happens. So Im chatting with them telling them how I think the donkey hands are helped out to keep the tables full, because as a poker player yourself, you know that eventually these donks would get wiped out and leave the site. I got the usual responses, hogwash, you just cant play, yada yada. So, at this exact time, Im dealt AA. So of course, two hands on my right, but it gets raised before it gets to me. So I said in the chat, you thinks its hogwash, watch this. I reraise all in, I have just told the table what my hand is, but still, I get an instacall. A-10 for his whole stack. Flop comes 10-10-7 so there you have it, AA cracked by AX four times in one sitting, and I predict the fourth one perfectly.

    I cant make this shit up bud. The full tilt thing that was the final straw. And i just cashed out 180 on a 20 deposit at Party poker, so its not like im losing. But the stupidity of it and the beats when people are calling post flop bets with K6 on a 239 flop vs JJ only to spike the king on the river, it happens way too often.

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  35. Well, a fish, most of new players are, will normally lose his money very very quickly since he plays each and every hand and he calls in every spot. If that were the case he will lose his entire initial deposit very quickly and he will likely quit and never look back. But if he gets "lucky" and wins at the beginning (and on some sites it looks like they regularly do; Luck is not so blind or so it seems) he will lose his money in the long run, can't be otherwise, but he will reload and reload again before quitting. Since getting new players is expensive, getting the maximum out of them might be worth while some little "tricks". What do you think?

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  36. Its hard to believe pokerstars is a fair site, and hard to believe articles like thsi aren't sponsored by pokerstars. If you are getting paid to cover for their criminal activities, I don't know how you sleep at night - knowing the amount of lives the site has ruined.

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  37. untill there are live dealers shuffling the cards and you can see it it will be rigged.

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  38. I honestly never understood why you would get more bad beats online due to playing more hands.

    As poker players, i think we all agree that the same amount of badbeads should be dealt out in comparison.
    I myself have a hard time to believe its not rigged, fixed or tweaked one way or the other. Over 100k hands, i've barely run above ev ever, and seems like the standard to run below. Over the last 536 flips i've had out of a sample of 102k sng 45 turbos hands. (considering it a flip when 60/40 or closer to each other) I've lost 80 percent of them.
    Im now at the point that i'm more likely to correctly call out what cards are gonna hit the turn and river to screw me over, as holding a hand im 70% favorite in.
    The few times i get to a FT the guys who usually gets headsup are those with 40+ vpip, and less as 40 All in EQ.

    However, i hope i'm wrong and i one day will become a winning player online.
    Nonetheless over the 63 tournaments i've played live this year i got and 300 procent roi roughly... so probably gonna stick to the game where i see the cards being dealt for real.

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    1. u fkin jokin me????? is rigged 100000%...fkin hidden code inside software....u just keep live in different world u morons. Its business and they need to have rigged software...look one thing, if person whos negative let say 70-80% losing all the time, eventually will quit but they don't want from him to quit, they will keep him in thew game. Thats the main thing,money and hidden fkin code inside to control and give action

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  39. I see some anomalies like that: When I was playing multitable ZOOM game. In some periodic times I am hitting set, full house, straight etc. at the same time. In some periodic times I don't; but I am losing with set vs over set, full house vs quads etc. at the same time. I mean, this doesnt happens randomly. You can't prove that by checking Poker Tracker statistics. Because, everthing looks normal, in the long run, mathematicly. Poker rooms why do that? Maybe pick up more rakes.

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  40. Hi.Why should PokerStars use skewed algorithms when they are already making millions of dollars? Because if they didn't, only players using a "solid fundamental strategy" would win and all lesser players would give up. Ergo skewed algorithms equals more profits for PokerStars. The worst thing PokerStars have done (to illustrate how skewed these algorithms are) is to introduce percentage chances.

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  41. Its brilliant comments like these that make me realise it is still possible to find the fish in 2018! Online poker isnt dead.

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    1. Haha I agree. This comment section is all the proof you need that online poker is alive and well and the games are good! :)

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  42. The scientists say the universe has a 20% chance of being a simulation. If that 20% holds and it is a simulation then I could imagine scenarios in which those that run the simulation screw with us just for the sheer entertainment value. There's a youtuber called magic612 who is possibly quite a celebrity amongst space-weed smoking dimension 12 university students. This is probably more likely than PS being rigged.

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